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| This one is MINE MINE MINE.
To put this in perspective: It should really read: Trinket of Nearly Being Better than TEN ENTIRE PRIEST TALENT POINTS
Soul of the Dead
Binds when picked up
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Trinket
Requires Level 80
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 95 (1.82% @ L80).
Equip: Your spell critical strikes have a chance to restore 900 mana. (proc chance reads 25%, no apparent internal cd)
10 holy priest talent points:
2 pts in holy spec: 2% holy spell crit
2 pts in surge of light: 50% chance on any spell crit -> insta cast mana free FH
3 pts in holy conc: 30% chance on FH/BH/GH (only) crit next FH/BH/GH is free
3 pts in imp holy conc: +15% for holy conc, +30% haste on next 2 FH/GH/BH
And those aren't low tier talent points either, the holy conc series and surge of light are tier 6,7 and 9 talents.
Mana costs at 80
FH: 18% of base mana ~600 (and -10% from glyph)
BH: 27% base mana ~900
GH: 32% base mana ~1000 (and then -15% from talent)
So this ONE trinket almost (depending on circumstances) provides an equal return to all 10 of those talent points. In some circumstances (ones not too hard to imagine) it provides a better return, because HC and SoL demand that I actually cast a specific spell that I may not want to, whereas the trinket just gives me 900 mana, which I can use how I want.
And really, since it's so predictable, I can manipulate it better. My COH is going to be hitting 6 targets with an average crit rate of 20% (at 80 with raid buffs, 26% crit if they're under 50%). And the trinket will give me 900 mana 25% of the time that even 1 of those heals crit. HMMMM.
This will be nerfed, I guarantee it.
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| | that's really good for dps casters too! I mean--really really good. 50%+ crit rate on ele shaman, boomkin, mage: 25% proc rate. This trinket is better then arcane concentration. 10% of spells free, v. 25% of 50%+ give 900 mana, so 12.5%. That's enough regeneration that master of elements mages (elementalist, fire, frost) could potentially use molten armor as level 70 fireball is 470 mana (21% base) so I don't think it would exceed 900 mana.
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| Mathron (10/14/2008)
that's really good for dps casters too!I mean--really really good.
50%+ crit rate on ele shaman, boomkin, mage: 25% proc rate. This trinket is better then arcane concentration.10% of spells free, v. 25% of50%+ give 900 mana, so 12.5%.That's enough regeneration that master of elements mages (elementalist, fire, frost)could potentiallyuse molten armor as level 70 fireball is 470 mana (21% base) so I don't think it would exceed 900 mana.
Yeah, it's kinda crazy that like 5 classes look at that trinket and say "this is better than a large chunk of my high tier talents!"
I'm sure the first paladin to see this will want it too, but then they ALREADY HAVE limitless mana from crits and other stuff, so maybe they won't care too much.
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| Schwerpunkt (10/14/2008)
This one is MINE MINE MINE.To put this in perspective: It should really read: Trinket of Nearly Being Better than TEN ENTIRE PRIEST TALENT POINTS Soul of the Dead
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Requires Level 80
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 95 (1.82% @ L80).
Equip: Your spell critical strikes have a chance to restore 900 mana. (proc chance reads 25%, no apparent internal cd) Mana costs at 80 FH: 18% of base mana ~600 (and -10% from glyph) BH: 27% base mana ~900 GH: 32% base mana ~1000 (and then -15% from talent) Yeah - this is so stupidly better than arcane concentration it's silly. Essentially this single item is equivalent to master of elements for mages for fireball. WAY better than it for frostfire bolt which (1) crits for just as much/more damage. and (2) is way cheaper than fireball Now imagine this on AoE spells. It's absolutely going to be lightning-capacitor'ed to the ground.
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| Schwerpunkt (10/14/2008)
Yeah, it's kinda crazy that like 5 classes look at that trinket and say "this is better than a large chunk of my high tier talents!"
No kidding. This is just a scary huge buff for elementaly mages (frostfire spec) as they'll be able to run 5% more crit with molten armor (@ 315x dmg a crit...) and actually regen more mana than with glyphed mage armor! Fire mages can drop arc concentration, but if they're getting spell impact it's not a big dps boost outside resistance fights. Mega huge for arcane mages: If they're going fire, they can probably ignore getting master of elements and probably also use molten armor. Disgusting. If going frostfire, they'll have the equivalent of better than master of elements regen without spending 8 more points in fire and could also potentially drop mage armor. This thing is just too good - watch the it get nerfed into oblivion like lightning capacitor.
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| Yeah. Like it's pretty obvious they made this as a holy paladin/single target trinket and didn't think about AOE. And for dps AOE, it's not a big deal -- I don't think the idea of a mage/lock running up and AOE'ing a bunch of mobs and getting a bunch of mana back is game breaking.
But you give this to a priest that can cast 6 crittable heals every 1.5 seconds and it gets ridiculous. It is very very obvious they were not thinking about this. nerfnerfnerf
Oh, did I mention that Prayer of Mending can crit now? And that it accurately uses the priest's crit rate now too? So that's bouncing around, 5 bounces -- it will almost certainly crit at least once.
Oh, and the "heal" from the Crystal Spire of Karabor can crit too (up to 700!!!) and since it's only hitting people below 50% it gets 6% more crit from test of faith. So if my COH hits 6 people below 50 that's 12 potential crit targets (with 6% more crit).
Oh, right, and since it's "all spells" that means all my normal damage spells can crit too. I could get spirit tap and imp spirit tap, which increases my spirit by 10% on MB/SW-D crits and allows 20% in combat regen... plus a 25% chance of proccing this trinket for another 900 mana on top of the massive passive regen this would give. Naxx level priests have like 1000 spirit, and I'll still have the +300 SSC priest trinket (or the new version) to boost that even more on demand.
I could spec this. And then COH and SW-D become mana regeneration tools! Oh, COH heals too? I didn't notice, I was too busy using it to GET MANA BACK. Haha, plus SW-D backlash will proc the PoM that I will put on myself.
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| I may be "stealthed:" not allowing AoE to proc is - fingers of frost for mages is like that right now (blizzard doesn't activate it).
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| You may be right of course, but "AOE" heals like chain heal, binding heal and COH have always acted as 3, 2 or 5 separate individual heals, as opposed to "true" AOE damage spells which are 1 spell that damages many people. I'm don't that the current code can differentiate and say "multi target heals don't count!", but of course they could have changed that in WOTLK.
Don't ask me about holy nova, I have no idea.
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